唐娜認為南韓自己的祖國,有啥問題?

有時中國人極盡鴨霸的國家觀念,真的夠令人吃不消。

大家都知中國乒乓球人才過剩至一個,大量二線乒球中國國家隊成員去到外國仍是當地第一的怪象,加上中國的體育制度人事黑暗,因此不少二線球員移居海外,然後代表別國與中國對陣,最經典的例子是小山智麗(何智麗)。

唐娜(韓國名唐汭序)在接受南韓傳媒訪問時,表示認同南韓是她的祖國,要以實力證明一切。之後一堆憤青,就罵唐娜叛國。

那些憤青的言論不知所謂,華人在海外不受尊重的其中一個原因,就是太多華人入籍時,是假效忠的,宣誓效忠新國家,但暗底裡認同仍是中國,那你入籍來幹啥。在上世紀五十年代,周恩來總理為糾正這種陋習,紓緩南洋族群緊張情況,才簽訂《中國印尼雙重國籍協定》。

唐娜的做法很正確,她既是南韓國家隊成員,持南韓護照,就以南韓為祖國,一切以南韓利益為依歸。正如我是持英國護照的,我便是英國人,就算英國與印尼出現衝突,我仍然以英國利益第一優先。盧維思放棄英籍,加入中國國籍成為中國人,我亦不會罵他是英奸,這是他的選擇,他以中國利益作第一優先也是天經地義。

請華人要有現代國家的效忠觀,我對這些憤青言論,以至有些手持美國護照,但教大家如何愛中國的洋導師,實在看不過去。

17 thoughts on “唐娜認為南韓自己的祖國,有啥問題?

  1. 見怪不怪喇. 我身在加拿大, 扭開個收音機, 就會聽到一大班新移民不停咁教人點愛祖國.

    你一話要愛加拿大, 就會有人走出嚟話你係有罪.

    佢哋以為, 自己響祖國搵夠本移民, 身在外國既電視面前為中國打吓氣, 水災時係咁意捐幾十皮, 同埋鬧吓人數典忘宗就叫愛中國. 我先知, 原來愛中國係咁 咁簡單咁cheap既一回事.

    中國移民, 連愛國同思鄉都唔識分, 就自以為愛國. 該煨.

  2. “你有無見過Micheal Jordan/ Tiger Wood成日叫其他Americans反非洲工作, 找老婆, 買樓?!”

    I have seen some who do, but they are isolated examples among academics. In fact I even read two examples of who did (the producer of the TV documentary “Root”?) and they found themselves at the end of the day to be American more than anything else and returned to the US.

    Most of the black Americans, as you said, don’t even bother with flirting with the idea of returning to Africa.

  3. 原來閣下有印尼背景,怪不得重題已有很久未聞的《中國印尼雙重國籍協定》。

    很多海外華人不大明白愛國、愛黨之分別,加拿大很多憤青高論只可刋登在中文傳媒,若用英文發表的話,便難以答「你究竟站在那一國公民位置發言」問題。

    試想,意大利人對去年當地華裔在衝突中搬出五星旗有何感想,再多憤靑高論的話,印尼排華的歷史不難重演。

  4. 美國咪又系咁..成堆入左美國籍,但就日日系度閙美國點衰,又話自己系中國人,咩只會效忠中國.
    講到底,呢D人入美國籍咪又系為左揾著數,等第時退左休有老人金收(以前冇入籍都得,近年改左例).又系度話入籍申請費要幾百蚊咁貴..永遠攞福利時又唔檢討下自己…明明入籍時有宣誓過要效忠美國的,呢D垃圾明顯發假誓,KICK哂佢吔出境啦= =+咁效忠中國,番中國效夠飽啦

  5. 我真係想知如果今年北京奧運如果代表S Korea出賽,班糞青會唔會向佢人身攻擊。

    另外如果有台灣人敢大膽係北京奧運其間,揮中華民國ge國旗去幫自己國家打氣,班糞青會唔會走去搶人枝旗。到時咁多外國媒體,睇下中共點搞!

  6. 所謂憤青,古今中外都有。佢哋對社會有許多不滿,真係係又罵,唔係又罵。喺內地,有d憤青實在鬧得太不像樣,有d人干脆稱他們為糞青。香港有冇糞青?我睇淨係高登都唔少。

    外國強調個人、民主,本身利益先行;但中國自古都主張為國為民,沒有國那有家的國家觀念。可惜中國喺清乾隆(十八世紀末)開始由極盛轉衰,國力不斷下滑,以至被列強侵吞,賠款割地,喪權辱國。到了新中國,國家仍然一窮二白;之後文化大革命,國家元氣進一步大傷。喺呢三數百年,中國在國際上並無重要角色可演,其影响力與其人口並不相稱,充其量只係第三世界嘅阿頭,即係丏幫幫主而耳。如果唔係小平同志,大家今日唔係排隊去抽國企新股,而係排隊去寄錢、寄油返大陸。

    喺咁嘅情况下,新中國嘅憤青旣媚外,也嫉外,一點也不出奇,也不該笑。隨住年紀增加,有d憤青会發奮做人,是為奮青。呢d奮青会覺今是昨非,奮發圖强;很多更會一飛冲天,成為社會菁英分子。呢d例子,俯拾皆是。佢哋會係最後笑得出黎嘅人。

  7. mum 君:

    「喺咁嘅情况下,新中國嘅憤青旣媚外,也嫉外,一點也不出奇,也不該笑。」

    我不同意。!?

    既然你知道小平同已改革開放二十年,靑年一代就不應賴錯在社會、或上一代。任何成年人做錯事,都要負全責,上一代的 DNA 如何,連求情的理由也談不上。

  8. David兄,一國要有移風易俗的改變,非二、三代的人不為功;個人的思想氣度,教育、周遭的潛移默化,可改變大部分,但深層的原我,可能一輩子都變不了。唔信,最近講台事件,有人拍抬揮拳、自誇成功,原我畢露,當是實例。中國改革廿年,人口13個億,相比香港,已是了不起,況且本是同根生,. . . .。

  9. “況且本是同根生,. . . .。”

    I’m sorry but pleading to ethnic affinity does not bolster your argument. The world is and has always been a cruel place: if your race can’t catch up with the international accepted norm? Tough, it is Chinese people’s responsibilities to catch up, and not for the world to accommodate the “special circumstances” of the Chinese people. Unlike universities, there is no such thing as compassionate pass concerning playing by the rules among the international community.

    Doesn’t China say “We are ready!” for hosting the Olympics and showcasing they have caugfht up with the modern world?

  10. “外國強調個人、民主,本身利益先行;”

    In fact it is more of the tradition that prospered particularly in the English-speaking countries, but ancient Greece and Rome have this firmly in mind as well.

    “但中國自古都主張為國為民,沒有國那有家的國家觀念”

    This concept of nation state only came into China after the Opium War. Its origin was in fact 19th century Germany – Prussia in particular. Your proposition above would not be entirely out of place among works published by Georg Hegel that:

    “The State is absolutely rational inasmuch as it is the actuality of the substantial will which it possesses in the particular self-consciousness once that consciousness has been raised to consciousness of its universality. This substantial unity is an absolute unmoved end in itself, in which freedom comes into its supreme right. On the other hand this final end has supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the State.” — Philosophy of Right, “The State”, s. 258 (taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Hegelians )

  11. To Joel: Let me set the record straight first. The incomplete phrase「況且本是. . .」was not to support any of the arguments, but to mean a soft reminder to awaken those who might have been「漢人學得胡人語,跑上城頭罵漢人。」 Insincere criticism with uncontrolled sniggers at those Chinese young men is more ignorant than ignorance itself. No doubt some young people should be criticized, but「駛唔駛踩咁盡呀」。

    In the wake of the fall of the Chinese power some hundreds years ago, China has never been put in a level playing filed. All rules are set by the great powers. The low competitiveness of the Chinese people at the global stage was due partly to the prolonged poverty of China and partly to the unfair treatments by other giant countries which had the final say on all kinds of everything. I don’t think China needs to be awarded a pass on compassionate ground, but any continued unfair treatment would be done to the detriment of all concerned. Let’s be civilized; be good though we will be lonesome.

    BTW, according to 錢穆in his<中國歷代政治得失>: 「到了秦、漢統一,. . . 古人稱『化家為國』」,. . 衹有一個家卻變成了國家。」If Professor Chin was right, ‘This concept of nation state only came into China after the Opium War.’ could be wrong, or be right only in the eyes of some western historians.

  12. Mum 君:

    有趣,「駛唔駛踩咁盡呀」這句話似乎放於四海而皆準,但分界線畫在那裹呢?例如,我會偶而閙句憤靑,有blog友會說糞靑。

    亦有興趣知道閣下在面對各路憤靑、奮靑、菁英時如何應對。

    「如果唔係小平同志,大家今日……」這話不對,因為「如果唔係共產黨先打爛…..,大家要〝有移風易俗的改變,非二、三代的人不為功〞嗎?」 。

    慾照男主角陳冠希都識得「先道歉,繼而解釋,再自罰」,共產黨呢?

    無謂同〝佢〞辯護喇,批評吓便是小罵大幫忙。

  13. David兄,此題目已糾纏多時,你亦開始黨、國、民不分。免惹Martin見笑,不如扯平,就此打住,如何?

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