請各位踴躍為英國國籍檢討發表意見

http://www.justice.gov.uk/reviews/citizenship.htm

這網站是英國政府,現時正進行的英國國籍檢討的網站,有關檢討直至明年三月為止。請各在港英國國民,包括BNO, BC和BOC持有人,踴躍就英國國籍法前途問題發表意見。

我個人最希望,當然是現時持有BNO的香港人,全部恢復英國公民身份。不過,我亦請各英國國民,在爭取BNO權益時,考慮以下問題:

1. 防止中國政府借BNO身份滲透英國,可能在繼承國籍上,要施加一定限制。

2. 一旦香港三百萬BNO持有人,恢復英國公民身份,如何處理相關的中英關係問題。

但我們香港人要醒目,在這些時候,必須表達自己的聲音。

35 thoughts on “請各位踴躍為英國國籍檢討發表意見

  1. Support….

    Granting BNOs right of abode in the UK doesn’t constitute any concern to the PRC government as PRC doesn’t recognise any forms of British nationality obtained in the colonial Hong Kong. If any kinds of British nationality are not recognised, so it is nothing to do with PRC no matter how British government manipulates the nationality laws. It is explicitly stated in Basic Laws and there is no chance to amend it now. As a result, unifying British nationality won’t create any kinds of “immigration flood” to the UK. There are currently more than 400 million European citizens having right of abode in the UK. There is no point to deny 3.5 million British nationals from entering their country of nationality.

    Anyone good at English please polish my English and combine all our views to send one feedback. There is no point to send heaps of feedback and the person who sees the comments will certainly get annoyed and scrap everything away…..

  2. 好奇怪
    我去歐洲 travel….
    HK>London>Rome>Amsterdam>London>HK
    我本 bno 得 London 一個入境印
    但係冇出境印….
    亦冇Rome同Amsterdam既出入境印….
    英國唔係神根區….有印好正常
    但係點解Rome同Amsterdam機場海關會冇打出入境印??
    咁佢地點知我有冇過期居留 ?
    咁我想問下特區護照係唔係同等待遇???
    如果唔係係唔係暗示意大利同荷蘭海關都當左bno係歐盟護照???

  3. To Sharon:你的歐洲之旅係幾時?

    佢地十成有九當咗BNO,或者已經當BNO係歐盟護照。因為只有佢地當你EU Citizen grant unlimited stay,才可能連印都唔蓋,否則就有追查唔到過期居留的問題。

    特區護照你無可能連印都唔駛。

  4. 我去左英國, 法國, 比利時, 荷蘭, 瑞士, 意大利…
    因為跟團…所以除英國, 意大利同荷蘭係坐飛機
    其他地方係坐巴士的
    當年法國係要簽證的….
    所以我要申請神根簽證….
    但係唔知點解當年我都係冇法國stamp..??
    羅馬同阿姆斯特丹機場都算係popular la… 好多香港人….. 冇可能搞錯卦….
    總之成個trip得一個london入境stamp….
    非常disappointed…. 以為可以留念….

  5. 我搞錯左....
    個 trip 只係坐左一次內陸機….
    London去Rome… 但係冇入境 stamp….
    一路坐巴士玩到阿姆斯特丹….
    由阿姆斯特丹坐飛機返 london 轉機返 hk
    但又係阿姆斯特丹冇出境stamp….

  6. 我想補充: 我個人旅遊經驗:
    由英國出發:
    2005 七月去Venice, (Treviso airport)
    2006八月去Florence (Pisa airport)
    2007 五月去Paris (Beauvais) , 九月去瑞典Gothenburg, 由挪威Oslo 返英國…

    出入境全部都冇盖印, 响挪威走仲排EU隊(因為其他機場細, 冇分EU/non-EU排)

    另外, 十幾年前(約九四年)同父母跟團去歐洲玩, 首站Vienna要盖印(用BN(O)), 途中經Czech同Hungrary都要比陸路邊防人員盖印

    Re: Sharon,
    請不要因冇盖印而disappointed, 呢個先係我地應有嘅權利 (有盖印就閉翳啦~)

  7. Here’s my letter to Lord Goldsmith, and it is used as a sample only. So please don’t copy it word for word. I do encourage everyone writes one to him.

    Dear Sir or Madam,
    I am writing this letter to express my view on British nationality law, especially on the different categories of British nationality. First, I need to express my gratitude and thanks for your work in reviewing citizenship, because it is a vitally important issue for the UK as a whole.
    As a British National (Overseas) holder, there are some of my thoughts on the current nationality law, to appeal for a reconsideration of granting the right of abode to all BN(O) holders.
    1. Self-determination
    I welcome the government’s British Overseas Territories Act 2002 for granting all British Overseas Territories citizens the right to register as British citizens. BOTCs are given self-determination of choosing their nationality. However, the citizens of colonial-Hong Kong, unlike those of all other past British colonies, have never been given self-determination, as we did not have the freedom to choose to follow either the UK, or China, before 1997. In June this year, Lady Thatcher has spoken publicly for the first time of her regret over Hong Kong. I think the UK government still has the opportunity to “right a historic wrong.”

    2. BN(O) as a form of British citizenship
    Perhaps, due to the lack of knowledge about British nationality law among some MPs and the Home Office, BN(O) is now described as a mere travel document. It is totally not in accordance with the Hong Kong (British Nationality) Order 1986, whereas BN(O) is classified as a form of citizenship. Furthermore, politicians would be hesitant in granting the right to BN(O) to register as British citizens, on the basis of Chinese nationality.[1] This reason is not only without any sense, but also has a degree of racial discrimination. BN(O), in itself, is a form of British citizenship, and the legal acts of the Chinese government should not affect any decision-making of the UK government . One good example must be mentioned is, that the citizens of colonial Macau do posses full Portuguese citizenship after the handover. If a little country like Portugal would grant such provision for her colonial citizens, why can’t the UK?

    3. The current nationally law is incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights
    I understand that the Human Rights Act 1998 has contained the principles of the ECHR; however, the UK government has still not ratified its protocol 4, which prohibits the expulsion of nationals and provides for the right of an individual to enter a country of his or her nationality. I think that this review must give consideration on this matter, as the UK should renew/change the nationality law, in order to bring this protocol, which the government has signed, in force, to the 21st European standard.

    4. One of the aims of the PM Gordon Brown
    As it is stated in the Governance of Britain, the PM Gordon Brown realises the current entitlements and responsibilities are complex and confusing. Simplification of the British nationality law is needed. That is no doubt that classing British citizenship is indeed separating the society. In fact, British citizenship is the most important common bond in the 21st century Britain.
    Therefore, I urged the Review team to consider all these thoughts for producing a bill that creates a society with equality and fairness, and that people (all classes of British nationality) would be proud of being British.

    I am looking forward to your reply.

    Yours faithfully,

  8. 關於中國政府問題, 我有諗過可否限制同時父或母都係 BN(O) 的人才可以容許下一代有英國護照,
    而且 BN(O) 直接改為有居留權, 我相信父母同時有 BN(O) 的人, 會被中共滲透的機會大大減少,
    兩個都有 BN(O) 的夫妻, 與中國大陸的密切機會一定唔及一對夫妻中只有一個有 BN(O) 的,
    始終土生土長的香港人, 多數都有 BN(O), 咁亦阻隔大部份大陸人因與香港人結婚而下一代
    得到英國國籍的機會

    不過呢次的國籍簡化諮詢, 應該提及呢方面的問題嗎?

  9. 我想問, 如果我打中文信send e-mail to Lord Goldsmith, ok?My english level is very low. 不過我會盡力!

  10. 其實我了解當今的英國係尊重非英語人士的表達,
    例如英國政府推出的小冊子都有中文版,
    但另一方面又加強移民者的英語要求
    如果你太擔心, 中英對照咁俾吧

  11. mayonnaise:
    晌英國出境係冇出境印的,因為英國機場出境的程序係晌你checkin 的時候將你passport的資料入電腦,之後將資料同你的登機證連結,到你入禁區做手提行李檢查時,就會swipe你的登機證,你就出左境了,所以passport無需蓋印。
    到你登機時先比你的passport同登機證檢查。唔指BN(O),任何passport都唔駛蓋出境印。一來慳時間,二來可以用少D人。英國機場好多時一個客運大樓都係得2個焱做出境。

  12. 我04年去意大利同英國,都冇印呀,個入境官連passport資料都唔過電腦……….. 其實都係睇你好唔好彩。(不過,唔過電腦唔代表冇出入境資料,只要查下機票就得。)

  13. To Zeus Cho:

    你用乜護照出入境英國同意大利?
    如果passport唔過機又唔stamp
    咁回程時候我攞左登機證之後撕爛機票正本
    咁點check我幾時入境?有冇過期居留 ????

  14. Zeus ,

    試過入意大利, 過關完全冇問題, 只係個入境官員純粹出於好奇問:點解你渣British passport响英國謮書要Resident permit(類似學生簽証)嘅? 我當時都唔知點答佢,(難道要由英國政府點樣修改國籍法出賣港人到九七問題一一道來?) 我只係敷衍答佢: “唔知呢, 我能我住得香港太耐而要掛?…”

    最抵死一次放完summer返英開學, 個英國入境官員(後生女)問我同一問題:”點解你渣British passport响英國謮書要Resident permit嘅?”
    我同佢講:” 唔知喎, 我都好想知! 你不如問問你地嘅home office啦!”

    注: 响英國入境反而係唔排得British/EU passports 而要排other passports,

    英國政府, SHAME!!!

  15. MC, 用BN(O)囉,01年剛出的數碼版,但我同行的舊版就要過OCR機。
    你意思係回程的時候唔走?定係點?

    mayonnaise, 英國?算數啦,一國六籍的國家。BN(O)英國入境仲要填Landing card……….
    唔講由自可,一講就火,我九月返Manchester開學仲有個police想查我家宅呀,攪我成半個幾鐘。

  16. Robinian

    Many thanks for your sample letter! You’re so helpful!
    (I am going to draft my one on term break)

  17. Always you can send me your letter in Chinese and I might be able to translate that for you!

    You’re always welcome to post on British Hong Kong forum!

  18. 回: Zeus Cho // December 11, 2007 at 5:28 pm

    我想問 2005 年的 BN(O), 是否已經用數碼相片,
    兼且符合免簽證入境關島的要求?

    回各位:

    我一向都認為, 英國有可能再將 BN(O) 人士分類
    以達到減少被中國政府入侵的問題

    我主張向英國提出, 從未申請特區護照者,
    應當視為不確定中國籍, 即使有回鄉證都可以,
    因為事實亦證明, 回鄉證不能被視為確立中國籍的可靠證據,
    包括有中國籍香港人士不能申請回鄉證

  19. Re bnoer:

    請問英國政府怎樣確定一個人有沒有申領特區護照? 所有香港華人都有被認定具有中國國籍, 有資格攞特區護照… 照計英國政府應該沒有資料的… 且特區政府冇理由會跟英國政府合作供出港人的資料吧….

  20. Re: Ken

    放心, 我向入境處了解過, 香港人有權要求入境處
    提供無申請過特區護照的證明的

    況且英國加香港已經製造了一個錯誤的事實,
    就係當年有部份聲稱無中國籍的印巴人,
    得到 BC 後再得到特區護照, 證明英國的定論係錯的

  21. Re: BNOer
    利益申報:本人有bno及澳洲護照
    logic 上有問題:
    香港人已經被中共強加中國國籍
    無論有否持有特區護照都會被視為已經擁有中國國籍..有權申領護照….不肯申請特區護照只係個人意願問題… 唔通話一個冇美國護照既美國人係無國籍人士? 要自願申請美國護照先叫美國人?
    有特區護照唔代表持有人忠於中共… 印巴籍人士申請特區護照係要宣誓入籍忠於中共的… 反而香港華人唔駛…也解釋到點解只有冇其他國籍的英籍人士先可登記成為英國公民… 因為非華人攞特區護照係要宣誓的…. 如果你唔係華人, 一早已經可以登記做bc… 所以如果你係華人, 就算你冇特區護照都應該自動擁有中國國籍… 只係你唔肯行駛公民權而已… 不如話英國海外屬土公民被強加英國國民(海外)身份仲合logic啦..
    又或英國先處理97前香港出生的bno…. 因為本應係英國海外屬土公民… 但係香港以外出生而歸化英籍的人怎麼辦?他們已經宣誓歸化…. 理應納為同一類人…..無論點講法律上都係講唔通的…..
    如果我係英國政府…唔想負責都會咁諗la
    所以最好唔好咁講….盞比英國政府有位入….

  22. 回bnoer: 01年年底之後出版的英國護照已經有數碼相片,資料也已左UKPA資料庫。要確定你的英國護照是否數碼版係好簡單,只要看看個人資料頁(尾二頁),你的簽署會scan起後打印在右下角。
    本人有過3版的護照。第一本係最初電腦版(96年簽發),第二本係數碼版(01年簽發),第三本係biomatic 版(06年簽發)。剛好3代電腦passport。

  23. to ken:
    我想講的是,不是所有非香港出生的BN(O)人就是歸化英籍的,因為香港的英國屬土公民的取得是依屬緣主義加屬土主義混合的,只要父或母其中一方為英籍,其子女不論在何地出生都會有英籍;如果父母不是香港出生,但子女在香港出生,其子女就有英籍。那些不是在香港出生,其父或母也不是在香港出生的人(即早期移民),就要歸化來有英籍,不歸化的話就只能拿無國籍證明的Certificate of Identity。

  24. to bnoer:
    就算向入境處申請無申請特區護照證明書是無用的,一定要「無中國籍證明書」才有效,樓上講得對,沒有特區護照不代表沒有中國籍,只要在中國國籍法定義的範圍內,中國籍就會被強加。

  25. 回柊:

    我想問, 當年大陸新移民, 要符合乜條件先可以歸化英籍?
    係咪只係香港定居五年就得? 如果係,
    照計應該好多人合資格歸化英籍, 但結果唔算好多人歸化?

  26. 另外, 印巴人士, 點解英國視佢地無中國籍,
    但佢地又能夠申請中國籍? 似乎存在矛盾

  27. to bnoer:
    另外, 印巴人士, 點解英國視佢地無中國籍,
    但佢地又能夠申請中國籍? 似乎存在矛盾

    無矛盾。英國是根據中國國籍法對中國籍的定義,而判定印巴裔香港人沒有中國籍,這是真確的。不過我相信在2006年的Act未出之前宣誓成為中國公民的人,不能根據該令申請成為英國公民。反之,申請成為英國公民後,他們如要宣誓成為中國公民,港共入境處應會要求他們提供無英國籍證明書。

  28. 回Ken, Bnoer: 正常入籍要5年,但香港個case就有些特別,要住滿七年先可以有「永居」。同晌英國的「永居」有分別。所以變相七年。

  29. 回~柊~:其實入境處發特區護照的國籍審批程序一般都唔嚴格。聽講一些印巴人士都有BC同特區護照的,香港的國籍執行政策都係隻眼開隻眼閉。

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