BNO與歐盟公民

在discuss Hong Kong的國寶豬兄,最近正式入紙歐盟的申訴專員,要求歐盟確立BN(O)的歐盟公民身份。在里斯本條約未生效前,國寶豬的做法有點難度,但在里斯本條約生效後,香港的BNO持有人的命運,可能有史無前例的轉變。

英國海外國民被摒除出歐盟公民之外,現時是建基於1982的英國政府聲明,而聲明全文係咁:

「In 1982, in view of the entry into force of the British Nationality Act 1981, the United Kingdom Government lodged with the Italian Government, as depositary of the Treaties, the 1982 Declaration, which replaced the 1972 Declaration with effect from 1 January 1983. The 1982 Declaration provides:

‘As to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the terms nationals, nationals of Member States or nationals of Member States and overseas countries and territories, wherever used in the Treaty establishing the European Economic Community, the Treaty establishing the European Atomic Energy Community or the Treaty establishing the European Coal and Steel Community or in any of the Community acts deriving from those Treaties, are to be understood to refer to:

(a) British citizens;

(b) Persons who are British subjects by virtue of Part IV of the British Nationality Act 1981 and who have the right of abode in the United Kingdom and are therefore exempt from United Kingdom immigration control;

(c) British Dependent Territories citizens who acquire their citizenship from a connection with Gibraltar.

當然,歐盟暫時不可能將所有英國國籍持有人照單全收,而《里斯本條約》由於是取代多份歐盟條約的一部「憲法」來的,除了歐洲原子能共同體條約外,其他條約要全部人間蒸發,加上引進BOTC的情況,令1982年聲明根本難以合用,所以《里斯本條約》中,1982年聲明,就由以下條文所取代:

Article 299

This Treaty shall not apply to those overseas countries and territories having special relations with the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland which are not included in the aforementioned list.

由於有Article 299的存在,1982年的聲明無效,亦換言之,由原來只限個別英籍人士可以成為歐盟公民,變成了,與英國有特殊關係的海外領地公民,不適用於歐盟,而英國本土負責的英籍,包括BOC和BNO,由英國承擔責任,他們享有歐盟公民權利。

這亦解開了,為何生物特徵版的BNO會印有十多個歐洲語言,規格與英國公民幾乎一樣的原因,因為BNO會成為歐盟公民,這亦解釋了,為何歐盟容許BNO享有歐盟免簽,而BDTC, BOTC, BOC等如果不能領取英國公民身份,就不獲歐盟免簽,因為BNO成為歐盟公民,應該是里斯本條約所計算在內。

若然英國以歐盟公民方式賦予BNO居英權,在政治上避免了尷尬(因為香港突然出現三百萬英國公民,會出現中英共管香港的奇景),而英國可以承擔責任,英國向中國解釋時,大可以說:「我們只不過根據歐盟公民條款,給予他們優惠。」

58 thoughts on “BNO與歐盟公民

  1. 之前我都問過一個國會議員。佢都開宗名義話”There is no prospect of replacing the various classes of citizenship with a single status, but there have been changes in both the law and administrative practice which have made it easier for certain persons to acquire full British citizenship.” (Eric Avebury)

    所以,大家要加油呀!

  2. Hello!我真的很想知道BNO日後可以去美國免簽嗎?你覺得有百分之幾?我很想知道?還有本八很喜歡英國, BNO 可以獲得居英權嗎?你覺得有百分之幾?There is no prospect of replacing the various classes of citizenship with a single status, but there have been changes in both the law and administrative practice which have made it easier for certain persons to acquire full British citizenship.” (Eric Avebury) 呢段文字點解?

  3. Yu Kam,

    Basically, his replies states that the British Government is not planning to combine all different British Nationals into one single British Citizenship (aka British Citizen, BC or GBR), but the changes of British Law would have make it easier for some British Nationals to obtain full British Citizenship or at least granting them the right of abode (stay, live and work in a place indefinitely) in the UK.

    It is uncertain whether BNO holders will be included in the VWP of United States but it will definitely be the case if and only if the British Government decides to combine all types of British Nationals into BC. Also, BNO holders has no right of abode in the UK but they can register (NOT naturalise as they are British Nationals already) as BC after staying and working there for at least 3 years (10 years for students). Correct me if I’m wrong.

    I will try to retype this in Chinese once I get hold of a computer which allows me to do so. Anyway, thanks for your concern of the right of BNO holders~ ^^

  4. Sorry, my english is not good. My level is very low. I only understand simple english. I can use dictionary to understand your meaning. 我十分擔心英國會放棄我們BNO 持有人,我很懷念英國政府的統治, 如果將來我能夠成為BC, 我一定會將九七前香港和九七後的香港說給全英國人知道. 你說我們有機會透過某些途徑入藉, 是嗎?我希望這天快d到來!但是我看到很多評論說英國政府很貪錢, (1) 她們會否以為二百機萬香港BNO持有人會增加英國社會負擔???(2)英國政府會否放棄我們BNO 持有人???請你回答這兩個問題? 我希望能為我的下一代創造更美好的工作和生活環境!

  5. 1. 英國政府是不可以放棄BNO持有人英國國籍,因為使用聯合王國旅行證件,是《中英聯合聲明》中確立的權利。

    2. 現時英國未必認為BNO構成英國負擔,因為相比起東歐歐盟成員國國民,香港人的水準查實與英國本土頗為一致,與西歐一樣,這亦可能歐盟明知里斯本條約條文,有可能令BNO成為歐盟公民,亦可以過關的原因。

    3. 其實英國已經努力向統一英籍這個方向邁進,除了BNO,英國沒有Citizenship身份的海外英籍,實在所剩無幾。BNO與BC合併的阻力在中國,而不是英國。所以BNO becomes European Citizen是阻力最小的統一英籍方案,BNO是名義上的海外英籍,另一個方案是BOTC式方案,BNO持有人可以entitle一本BC護照。

  6. 其實英國政府會否一併處理埋有雙重國籍的 BOC 人的居英權問題?

    另外, 我一直認為, 英國宜家最怕香港人得到居英權的, 反而未必係 BN(O) 的人數, 而係因 BN(O) 可以得到居英權, 而造成佢地的配偶及後代的人數, 另外, BN(O) 人唔排除有人會被中共收編了成為間諜, 如果一夜間有居英權, 英國政府會否避忌?

  7. 之但係我覺得, 即使 BN(O) 得到居歐權, 中共亦會做一些相應措施減少尷尬局面, 例如會要求某個職級以上的人不能有外國居留權 (唔同宜家只係高官, 特首等), 否則香港變成比澳門更多的 “外國人”

    唔知各位又點睇?

    另外 BOC 雙重國籍的人數, 有無任何官方網站或個人網站可以搵到? 但我相信呢個數字, 的確難以考查

  8. 後代問題:我相信東歐歐盟國家成員國國民問題仲大鑊。

    間諜問題:因為英國有BN(O)持有人在港英的檔案,比較易跟,東歐國家都有被俄國收編的問題。但我會鼓勵有志效力英國的BN(O)人,加入軍情五處或六處協助捉奸。

  9. 多謝各位的回應?暫時我可以放下心頭大石,只要英國政府沒有放棄BNO, 就算要我重新適應新生活,也不是問題!

  10. 回 martinoei:
    除了國寶豬向歐盟法庭提出外, 仲有乜野我地可以做?

    回 YU KAM:
    我諗 2008 年 1 月就無可能了, 太快, 年中就唔肯定

  11. 唔緊要,都係幾個月,總之希望W. Bush 卸任前,否則可能要等多幾年!就算等多幾年都無問題!有得去美國,就得啦!

  12. To: YU KAM

    你係呢個stage唔洗擔心英國政治會無端端會放棄BNO呢一個國籍,因為一個有法治國家,係唔會係無非常非常特別情況下去剝奪一個國民的國籍(除非英國由共產黨執政)。就算英國係今年個國籍review唔俾BNO華裔香港人自動有居留權,最差咪乜都唔變好似依家咁。依家英國有一個國籍問題 ge Review。個Consultantion會係明年三月完,如果你有意見不妨寫d野去表達自己諗法。

  13. 我也認為BN(O)只會變得更好, 沒有理由變得更加差或被取消..
    至於變得幾好就視乎大家付出幾多努力了

  14. 好彩有本BNO, 將來還有一線希望!我想問,美國會有什麼理由拒絕BNO免簽?因為本人很想去美國!我想知道BNO有沒有理由被美國拒絕?

  15. 以前中英聯合聲明好似講過話BNO沒有居英權,個份聲明好似好重要? 真的可以推翻嗎?如果迫英國政府做,她們會幫BNO香港人?

  16. 中英聯合聲明只有係英方備忘錄提過有關 BDTC ge 出路,從來無提出BNO呢家o野。我覺得明年三月完(o個)一個由Lord Goldsmith QC 搞 ge Citizenship Review,可能會放寬無英國居留權 ge British Nationals 申請登記成為British Citizen。不過呢個review ge details 我都唔知,因為個website只有一行寫住To consider the difference between the different categories of British nationality.

  17. It is important to know that there are so many advantages for BNO to be considered as “EU citizens” even if BNO holders have no intention to live in the UK. As both a BNO and HKSAR passport holder, I have been living in Switzerland for more than 3 years. The Swiss government considers both BNO and HKSAR passports as “Chinese” passports and EU citizens/nationals are being treated much better than “third country nationals”, i.e. non Swiss/EU nationals. For example, EU citizens can work in CH for 3 months without any work permit and once they have a long term employment contract, they are automatically granted a 5 year residence/work permit valid for the whole country. On the contrary, my BNO/HKSAR passport can only get me a 1 year work permit (renewable) that is valid for the specific province. I really hope that BNO will soon resume its EU citizen status and this will save me sooo much trouble living and working in EU/Switzerland.

  18. Hey Bigdeba97:

    The Swiss government considers both BNO and HKSAR passports as “Chinese” passports ? Have you tried to use BN(O) passport in another ways like to buy insurance (for EU/local people), to join some organization which ask the applicant who are EU nationals? Next time, don’t tell the Swiss officials that your passport have no right of abode in UK blablabla…可唔可以「則則膊」當正 BC passport 用? If I were you, I’ll go register to become a voter of election, to know to what extent is our BN(O) passport useful?

    (I am using BN(O) passport in UK, I am a voter now)

  19. Hi Mayonnaise,

    what u suggested i haven’t really tried at all. One thing I tried is to use my BNO when i renewed my residence permit in order to get the BC/EU national one. It took them a month to get back to me and they simply said, “by the way, there is absolutely no difference between the 2 passports.” I guess when u enter Switzerland with the BNO, they probably won’t stamp it but that’s pretty much it.

    oh and only Swiss citizens can vote in the elections, so even EU citizens with a permanent residence permit cannot vote..Here in CH, foreigners are clearly divided into tiers: 1st tier German speaking EU nationals, 2nd other EU nationals, 3rd third country nationals, 4th asylum seekers/illegal immigrants…

  20. bigdeba97:

    我想問你何時用你本BNO,申請以歐盟公民身份renew residence permit?我相信,歐盟以及EEC可能已經暗地裡安排BNO人逐步享有與歐盟公民相同待遇(不計英國)。

    因為瑞士、德國對BNO人的態度是指標性的,話雖不少人持BNO進入法國、意大利,排了歐盟隊沒有蓋印,當成歐盟公民亦懵然不知。

  21. Hi Martin,

    I just renewed my residence permit in September 07. In fact it is still stated pretty clearly in the Swiss government official website that BNO is considered a “Chinese” passport. I guess they haven’t been updating it in years. That being said, I do agree with your logic with the article 299 in the Lisbon Treaty. If it all comes through as you predicted, I may try my luck again at the Swiss immigration department for the EU resident permit. =)

    Like you said, I used my BNO in Germany, Poland, France etc etc and in 90% of the occasion, the immigration officials barely looked at it for 5 secs and they hardly stamp my passport anymore.

  22. To Calvin:

    點解德國和瑞士有指標性意義,因為這兩國入境官員,極少在辨認英籍護照上打馬虎眼。

  23. 回 bigdeba97:

    Like you said, I used my BNO in Germany, Poland, France etc etc and in 90% of the occasion, the immigration officials barely looked at it for 5 secs and they hardly stamp my passport anymore.

    你意思係佢仍然係你本 BN(O) 蓋印?

  24. to bnoer:

    not really. they haven’t been stamping my BNO for the past year. Like mayonnaise, I tried lining up at the EU line in Berlin and the immigration official just swiped my passport and gave it back to me without stamping it.

  25. to bigdeba97,

    唔知幾時開始咁做呢? 或者大家幾時開始無扱印?

    同埋你 residence permit, 以前唔係用
    EU citizen 的, 但九月先係?
    你有無問過相關的職員點解?

  26. bnoer

    I have no idea when did they stop stamping in BN(O), I only tell you since 2005 I traveled to Italy, I haven’t got any EU countries stamp in my passport
    ( in 1994, I traveled with my parent to Austria, Czech and Hungary, all of these immigrantion officals stamped my BN(O) passport. )

  27. to bnoer,

    i used my HKSAR passport for my residence permit when i first arrived in CH 3 years ago because at that time BNO was still not Schengen visa-free. This time in Sept 07, I tried to apply for my renewal permit with my BNO. That’s when they told me that BNO is still considered a HK/Chinese passport with no EU privileges.

  28. To 柊:
    意大利不嬲都係亂嚟,呢個國家嘅混亂度,同中華人民共和國絕對有得揮,所以意大利有無蓋印係唔作得準。

    瑞士、德國係指標性,德國都唔喺BN(O)蓋印就已經好有機會,BN(O)向緊歐盟公民果條路走。因為唔蓋印係包含unlimited stay嘅意思。

    當然,我相信瑞士處理residence permit時,依家仲會將BN(O)同BC區別看待,因為里斯本條約始終未正式實施,依家係一段頗為混亂嘅時期。

  29. to mayonnaise:

    1994年去Czech, Hungary一定要,因此兩國在2004年才加入歐盟,到2007年底才實施神根公約。
    你睇返神根的歷史,係1995年3月才正式在Belgium, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain實施。

  30. 唔該晒各位回答, 希望各位再將種種蛛絲馬跡講出黎, 同大家分享

    同埋有無辦法知道, BN(O) 會直接得到居歐權
    還是類似 BOC/BS/BPP 形式得到?

  31. Any cases that HKSAR (or USA, Canada, Australia) holders that their passports are NOT stamped by the German or other EU countries when they enter these countries for travel?

  32. In August 2003, when my aunt and my cousin passed through the immigration counter for NON EU passports at the CDGAirport in Paris , the Black staff just looked at their HKSAR passports for a few seconds and returned the passports to them without any stamps.

    In 2001, I travelled to France with a tour. When we arrived at CDG airport, Paris, it was about midnight.The fellow tour members showed their HKSAR passports or any visa-free passports to the French immigration officer and he just checked without stamping. But for my BNO passport with schegen visa, the case is quite different, he did give me an entry stamp!

    In 2006, I had no stamp on my BNO passport in an international airport of Milan, Italy. But for the other visa-free access passports , say Singaporean, they did have one!

  33. To Antonio:

    法國機場不嬲係拉登嘅好朋友,所以我們好難計法國果筆。但意大利米蘭嘅,佢地無理由唔識辨認乜叫BN(O)。

  34. No, it was in the midnight and there was only ONE counter. All kinds of passports holders went through that counter!

  35. Using BN(O) to enter Solvikia, Czech Republic by train, no stamping at all.(2007 summer)
    Using BN(O) to enter Austria(Vienna) and Italy(Milan), no stamping at all (2007 summer)

  36. Hi all,
    I never knew about this forum before, and its really nice to read comments about “BNO Status difficulties” many ppl have even today.
    here i want to share some techniques which i learn my self from my own past experience and i sugget you all BNO holders to follow them when travel to EU.
    About me, i am a BNO passport holder with right of abode in HK. My request for change of status from BNO to UK Citizen was refused by Home Office in 2004. At present i live in UK- without right of aboard, and enjoying all facilities / status same as of EU Citizen.
    Following are important for UK and i believe for other parts of EU, should apply the same.
    1- AT UK AIRPORT ALWAYS PRESENT YOUR PASSPORT AT EU COUNTER, DO NOT GO TO VISITOR/NON- EU QUEUE AS YOU NEED TO AVOID IMMIGRATION STAMP ON UR PASSPORT.
    2-IF UR PASSPORT IS NOT STAMPED U ARE LUCY, NOW JUST STAY IN UK AS A CITIZEN, GO TO JOBCENTRE AND APPLY FOR N.I.N PRESENTING UR UN-STAMPED UK PASSPORT SO THAT YOU CAN START WORKING.
    3-ONCE U GET YOUR NATIONAL INSURANCE NO (NIN) REGISTER WITH ANY EMPLOYMENT AGENCY FOR THE JOB, OFCOURSE USE YOUR SAME BNO PASSPORT AS A PROOF OF UR IDENTITY.
    4-REGISTER YOUR VOTING RIGHT SIMPLY BY SUBMITTING ONE-PAGE DOCUMENT STATING THAT U ARE A BRITISH NATIONAL.
    5-REMEMBER THAT IN UK UR FULL DRIVING LISCENCE IS UR MAIN IDENTITY DOCUMENT. YOU CAN EXCHANGE UR HONG KONG DRIVING LISCENCE WITH FULL UK ONE FREE OF COST, SO DONT FORGET TO BRING UR HK LISCENCE TO UK.
    6-THATS ALL, ONE MORE LAST THING WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT, WHEN U SHOW UR PASSPORT TO VARIOUS GOVT DEPARTMENTS IN UK, OR UR EMPLOYER, OR TO THE EMPLOYMENT AGENTS, DO NOT SAY THAT IT IS A BNO PASSPORT, JUST SAY THAT U ARE BRITISH AND HAVE A BRITISH PASSPORT. (MOST OF THE GOVT/PVT BODIES DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BNO AND UK CITIZEN PASSPORT)
    7-NOW IF UR PASSPORT IS STAMPED BY THE PASSPORT OFFICIALS, STILL DONT WORRY ABOUT THAT, SOON YOU WILL BE ENJOYING FULL RIGHTS IN THE UK, JUST GO TO NEAREST POLICE STATION AND SUBMIT A REPORT LOST OF BNO PASSPORT. TAKE THE COPY OF LOST PASSPORT REPORT APPLY FOR THE NEW BRITISH PASSPORT ALONWITH THEIR FREE OF GBP:78. IN THREE WEEKS YOU WILL GET YOUR NEW BNO PASSPORT WITH NO RESTRICTION-STAMP ON IT, NOW FOLLOW THE STEPS (2–5) ABOVE.

    request: I came to know that in UK some people has already claimed their British Citizen Passport through Court of Law by filing a case against Home Office, especially some one like me whose request was turned down by home office in tha past, i will appreciate if some one can guide me about the legal procedures
    Thank You
    ________________
    EU STATUS IS THE RIGHT OF ALL BNO PASSPORT HOLDERS AND NO ONE CAN DEPRIVE YOU OFF YOUR RIGHTS, LETS FIGHT TOGETHER

  37. I used my HKSAR passport to enter Swiss last 2 years(april 2006) and they give me an entry stamp (with no date) and no leaving stamp when I leave… so what’s that mean???

    I have BNO identity, so BNO is eligible for EU citizen, I may consider to renew….

  38. As uncleSamHK, we all can go to england and work in there, because their local people can’t recogize the difference between bno and british passport.. it sounds interesting.
    I still prefer staying in EU straight forwardly, because it should be our right from our born.

  39. 丹麥是否歐盟國家??

    上年9月去丹麥時他們在我bno上蓋印
    剛剛2月去時就沒有蓋了~

  40. 儘早renew,因為看來英國一正式通過新英國國籍法,會成堆香港人湧去領事館取護照。

  41. It’s confirmed that the BNO biometric passport does not include all the EU official languages other than English & French. Since Romania & Bulgaria were not yet the members of EU at the time of issurance in 2006 so their language were not included. You’d better get both the British Citizen & BNO passports side by side & examine precisely.

    As far as I know, certain immigration officers in continental European countries and regional UK
    cities cannot tell the difference between BC & BNO sometimes since these 2 passports appear so similar if giving a quick short look. Imagine they need to check hundreds/thousands of passports a day. Some of them even do not know the existence of BNO.

  42. To Mfrank:

    我係持英國公民護照,我前女友持英國國民(海外),英國公民係首頁都有齊以所有歐盟語言的國名,英國國民(海外)仍然係英、法兩文。但後面data page的解釋頁,是兩種護照一致,全部歐盟語言有齊,data page解釋頁是歐盟規格核心。

  43. I confirm that in Belgium, government officials cannot really tell the difference between BNO and BC. The important thing is when they ask you what’s your nationality, just say British. If you show your doubt, they will actually go ask around and check. I travel around Europe a lot for my work, hardly ever got a stamp at the custom. It seems to be tougher in Germany. The conclusion is you can actually come and work in EU countries with BNO, just avoid germanic countries, such as Germany/Switzerland etc.

  44. i am living in uk like uncle same. i have N.I.N working here.registerd with vote have bank accounts. but problem is how can i apply visa for my wife. i dont have any stamp on my passport. but they can see i am a BNO passport holder.when i will attach my passport,s copy with application. also one more question plz. my sister who is BNO passport holder living in pakistan. she went to british embasy in pakistan for registerd her childs. but they told her your not holding a british passport and cant registerd your childs. please give me advice about it.thanx

  45. BN(O) 人唔排除有人會被中共收編了成為間諜, 如果一夜間有居英權, 英國政府會否避忌?這個一定有可能。

    現今香港已由黑社會形態的土共已控制了一半。每個新移民也會被迫踢入國安黑社會大家庭當線人幫手進行監視港人及進行心理威嚇。當你發現特然有人在你身徬跑出特大聲地講電話,說一些內容跟你直接有關的、最近發生過的,或去到任何公眾地方吃飯,隔磷檯也有人刻意大聲說一些跟你直接有關的話,似是想引起你的注意。不用估了,因你可能已得罪了大陸人被人監視、騷擾、恐嚇中。據跟大陸有生意來往的友人解說,在大陸這是很普通對付異見人仕的現像。不要害怕或自已嚇自己以為是患了思覺失調。因他們正有此意。

    大陸人不重視法紀,誰有權就誰富有。公安國安不是用來捉賊,只是用來監視迫害人民維護太子黨承繼權。

    其實中共已成功控制了香港的經濟,他們最近的行動似是想迫走香港人移民取而代之,多過留我們在港阻著他們安插自已友上下其手抓M$。20xx有普選是多餘,香港人選到心水特首也沒用。還是移民才對得起下一代,不用擔心當中共爪牙害人。

    只要快速讀番個海外遙距英文授課的學位+有數萬夠三個月生活用,就可申請Teir-1 General計分Visa移居UK。如給予BN(O)居英權只是給大家節省每人每五年HK$7200的申請Visa費用吧了。

    其實英國是知道不同美、加多華人區,就算給了BN(O)持有人居留權,港人英語差,難找生活,只有精英或有經濟能力的才會移居。這些人任何一個人口老化了的政府包括英國是隨時歡迎的。

    就算歐州給予你居留,你及你家人不董當地話,學歷經驗又不被承認,也非到不得已的特時侯才會考慮去做三等公民啦。

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